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	<title>Comments on: How to fight Google&#8217;s article commenting plan</title>
	<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/</link>
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		<title>By: Links: On Google&#8217;s AP move and newspapers as a &#8220;change organization&#8221; : Joe Think &#187; Online News Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1951</link>
		<dc:creator>Links: On Google&#8217;s AP move and newspapers as a &#8220;change organization&#8221; : Joe Think &#187; Online News Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1951</guid>
		<description>[...] Ryan Sholin writes three bullet-points about why Google hosting AP news content is a good thing. I agree. Last month I wrote a bit about ways newspapers could fight Google News&#8217; new article-comment function, and in the last week I wrote some comments here about the value of wire services in newspapers&#8217; print product. Google&#8217;s AP step is a bit more constructive for newspapers because it&#8217;s something papers couldn&#8217;t have accomplished on their own, and it encourages smart decisions about where newspaper&#8217;s online resources ought to be pointed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Ryan Sholin writes three bullet-points about why Google hosting AP news content is a good thing. I agree. Last month I wrote a bit about ways newspapers could fight Google News&#8217; new article-comment function, and in the last week I wrote some comments here about the value of wire services in newspapers&#8217; print product. Google&#8217;s AP step is a bit more constructive for newspapers because it&#8217;s something papers couldn&#8217;t have accomplished on their own, and it encourages smart decisions about where newspaper&#8217;s online resources ought to be pointed. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1352</guid>
		<description>Jacob, I agree that "beating Google to the punch" is a much stronger tactic than "meekly counter-punching Google a couple months after the first punch gets thrown."

N&#38;R does a good job with blogs, certainly. Blogs make sense for publishing certain data -- and there are plenty of other ways to publish data that also make sense for newspapers. Some of those ways have to do with community, some of those ways have to do with getting down and thinking the stuff you do on a daily basis all the way through online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, I agree that &#8220;beating Google to the punch&#8221; is a much stronger tactic than &#8220;meekly counter-punching Google a couple months after the first punch gets thrown.&#8221;</p>
<p>N&amp;R does a good job with blogs, certainly. Blogs make sense for publishing certain data &#8212; and there are plenty of other ways to publish data that also make sense for newspapers. Some of those ways have to do with community, some of those ways have to do with getting down and thinking the stuff you do on a daily basis all the way through online.</p>
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		<title>By: Press Gazette Blogs - Fleet Street 2.0 &#187; Google News comments: a roundup</title>
		<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>Press Gazette Blogs - Fleet Street 2.0 &#187; Google News comments: a roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1342</guid>
		<description>[...] Joe Murphy, a developer on the Denver Post web site, argued the move threatened news sites in a number of ways. It would lead more people to go to Google News first for news; the opporuntinty to comment would bring many &#8220;newsmakers&#8221; into this new Google News audience; it reduces the credibility of news organisaitons by giving a (presumably-required) right to reply, and it provides Google with a growing contacts book of sources for news stories. The simple solution for newspapers, he argued, is to devote more resources to commenting features on their own sites. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Joe Murphy, a developer on the Denver Post web site, argued the move threatened news sites in a number of ways. It would lead more people to go to Google News first for news; the opporuntinty to comment would bring many &#8220;newsmakers&#8221; into this new Google News audience; it reduces the credibility of news organisaitons by giving a (presumably-required) right to reply, and it provides Google with a growing contacts book of sources for news stories. The simple solution for newspapers, he argued, is to devote more resources to commenting features on their own sites. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob McConnico</title>
		<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1309</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob McConnico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1309</guid>
		<description>Thanks for your response. I definitely understand your arguments. I would have to say that Google probably won't stop without some sort of government intervention. The best newspapers can do is try to figure out a way to work better with them or beat them to the punch. 

You are a media guy, and I am a J-school grad and former reporter. You know as well as I do that most media has been drug, kicking and screaming into using new technology. Most media owners are only interested in squeezing as much out of their products as possible. It is not very popular to invest or reinvest in the media outlet.

I live in your former state, and I have been impressed with what the N&#38;R has done with their blogs, and I know the N&#38;O used the Web early on to break news, but for the most part, media was slow to see the importance of the Web. I think it is important for Google, Facebook and others to push media outlets to reexamine traditional ideas about community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your response. I definitely understand your arguments. I would have to say that Google probably won&#8217;t stop without some sort of government intervention. The best newspapers can do is try to figure out a way to work better with them or beat them to the punch. </p>
<p>You are a media guy, and I am a J-school grad and former reporter. You know as well as I do that most media has been drug, kicking and screaming into using new technology. Most media owners are only interested in squeezing as much out of their products as possible. It is not very popular to invest or reinvest in the media outlet.</p>
<p>I live in your former state, and I have been impressed with what the N&amp;R has done with their blogs, and I know the N&amp;O used the Web early on to break news, but for the most part, media was slow to see the importance of the Web. I think it is important for Google, Facebook and others to push media outlets to reexamine traditional ideas about community.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1305</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1305</guid>
		<description>Hey Jacob,

I'd say the scare-factor comes from Google's superior command of technology and technology applications. The more Google cuts newspaper's turf the more newspapers wonder "where will this stop?" 

Also, this particular move is different for Google. Usually Google puts out tools that rely on automation and databases (take a look at &lt;a href="http://labs.google.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;the products Google has launched and is working on&lt;/a&gt;). This move relies on people: The people writing the comments on articles, and then the people inside Google who verify the comments.

As far as where it exists right now, I don't see it either. &lt;a href="http://searchengineland.com/070808-104053.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;SearchEngineLand&lt;/a&gt; has some screenshots of it, but I don't know how they got those.

-Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jacob,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the scare-factor comes from Google&#8217;s superior command of technology and technology applications. The more Google cuts newspaper&#8217;s turf the more newspapers wonder &#8220;where will this stop?&#8221; </p>
<p>Also, this particular move is different for Google. Usually Google puts out tools that rely on automation and databases (take a look at <a href="http://labs.google.com/" rel="nofollow">the products Google has launched and is working on</a>). This move relies on people: The people writing the comments on articles, and then the people inside Google who verify the comments.</p>
<p>As far as where it exists right now, I don&#8217;t see it either. <a href="http://searchengineland.com/070808-104053.php" rel="nofollow">SearchEngineLand</a> has some screenshots of it, but I don&#8217;t know how they got those.</p>
<p>-Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob McConnico</title>
		<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1304</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob McConnico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1304</guid>
		<description>Am I missing something? It's Aug. 11, and I have not seen this new feature integrated on the Google News page. I'm curious to see what it will look like. 

It's an interesting idea, but I don't see how it differs much from newspaper sites that offer robust comment sections. I suppose the real difference is that a lot more people skim the Google News headlines than look at the comment sections for a specific, regional newspaper. 

This stuff might cause a lot of handwringing for the news industry, but if it is done responsibly, it can be a benefit for the news consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I missing something? It&#8217;s Aug. 11, and I have not seen this new feature integrated on the Google News page. I&#8217;m curious to see what it will look like. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting idea, but I don&#8217;t see how it differs much from newspaper sites that offer robust comment sections. I suppose the real difference is that a lot more people skim the Google News headlines than look at the comment sections for a specific, regional newspaper. </p>
<p>This stuff might cause a lot of handwringing for the news industry, but if it is done responsibly, it can be a benefit for the news consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: The Journal of Missing Hours &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for 2007-08-11</title>
		<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1296</link>
		<dc:creator>The Journal of Missing Hours &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for 2007-08-11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1296</guid>
		<description>[...] Google News: war is declared Google moves to make their use of other company&#8217;s content more profitable for themselves by adding the ability for people to comment on the Google News stories; despite the fact that Google do not pay for displaying the original content. The JoeThink blog lists some long term advantages for Google in this move. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Google News: war is declared Google moves to make their use of other company&#8217;s content more profitable for themselves by adding the ability for people to comment on the Google News stories; despite the fact that Google do not pay for displaying the original content. The JoeThink blog lists some long term advantages for Google in this move. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Stabe &#187; links for 2007-08-10</title>
		<link>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1283</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Stabe &#187; links for 2007-08-10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joethink.com/blog/2007/08/how-to-fight-googles-article-commenting-plan/#comment-1283</guid>
		<description>[...] Joe Murphy: How to fight Google’s article commenting plan Possible effects on newspapers: (1) More people look to Google first for news (2) More &#8216;newsmakers&#8217; turn to Google for news (3) reduced credibility (4) Google builds up contacts book of news sources. (tags: googlenews comments) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Joe Murphy: How to fight Google’s article commenting plan Possible effects on newspapers: (1) More people look to Google first for news (2) More &#8216;newsmakers&#8217; turn to Google for news (3) reduced credibility (4) Google builds up contacts book of news sources. (tags: googlenews comments) [&#8230;]</p>
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